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Salty Podcast #44 | ⛵️No Rules, Just Dreams: Sailing Phoenix's Leap 🌎

• Captain Tinsley | Oliver of Sailing Phoenix • Season 1 • Episode 44

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Welcome back to the Salty Podcast.  Tonight, we’re diving into an incredible story with Oliver from Sailing Phoenix. Imagine leaving the 9-to-5 grind, buying a sailboat, emptying your 401k, and gearing up for the adventure of a lifetime. That’s exactly what Oliver did.

With no rules holding him back, Oliver shares how he left an 11-year corporate career to embrace the open seas, chase his dreams, and prepare for a circumnavigation that’s just around the corner.

Get ready for an inspiring conversation about bold choices, living without limits, and the true meaning of freedom. Let’s set sail.

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Capn Tinsley:

Welcome back to the Salty Podcast. This is episode 44. Sorry, I have a little glitch here. All right, before we begin, I ask that you please subscribe, like and share and comment live in the chat. If you're on YouTube or Facebook, feel free to ask any questions and we'll try to answer them live. Tonight we're diving into an incredible story with Oliver from Sailing Phoenix. Imagine leaving the nine to five grind, buying a sailboat, emptying your 401k and gearing up for the adventure of a lifetime. That's exactly what Oliver did, with no rules holding him back. Oliver shares how he left in an 11-year corporate career to embrace the open seas, chase his dreams and prepare for a circumnavigation that's just around the corner. So get ready for an inspiring conversation about bold choices, living without limits and the true meaning of freedom. Let's set sail. Welcome, oliver, hello, hey Oliver, welcome to the Salty Podcast.

Oliver:

Hey, thanks for having me.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I saw you on. You had some great posts on Instagram and it was real interesting. Your post said something about what I just said emptying out the 401k, quitting the job and getting ready for that circumnavigation and no rules and all that good stuff. So I can't wait to hear about it. I have some questions here to get us started. The first one I have is what inspired you to leave your job and take such a bold leap into the sailing lifestyle?

Oliver:

Well, it's like just a few. The biggest thing that pushed me over the edge to make that leap was so, like three years ago, I found out that I have. I was diagnosed with Klipple Fail Syndrome, so I had, for like the past like six or seven years, I've had really bad neck pain and I just had put it off for, you know, for uh, like three or four years, and then finally I like, just cause I'm like, you know, I don't like to go to the doctor Nobody does, I guess. Uh, and then finally I went to the doctor and they, um, uh, took a look at my x-rays and, uh, it turns out I've got my. So my spine is, like, compared to somebody who's over like 115 years old or my cervical spine.

Oliver:

So that was like literally turned my world like upside down and flipped it, flipped it around and um it.

Oliver:

So then like I had like the following two and a half years where I like I just had like I don't know life kind of like hit me in the face and I was working at a corporate job that I absolutely hated and um wanted. I didn't know how to find my way out, I didn't know what it was, what that looked like. So I just I had spent like two and a half years just like fighting and grinding to find a way out and I don't know why it took me so long to, because sailing around the world has always been like a dream. You know, it's always been a dream of mine and it's always, but it's been a far off dream, like a dream that will never happen. It's that conclusion.

Capn Tinsley:

But finally I did.

Oliver:

I came to that conclusion that I wanted to do that. Sorry, go ahead.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, we have a comment here on the screen. This is Hayden and Radine, who I had on last week Living the dream. Congrats. Those are some real salty sailors right there. Cool, thank you those are some real salty sailors right there, cool, thank you.

Capn Tinsley:

And over on Instagram, which won't show up here. Oh, that's a good kitty right there, jennifer, calling a friend of mine from Kauai. I can't make it show up here, but she's saying Wamasaloha from Kauai, dear Tinsley. So I wanted to say hey to Jennifer there. So you're back. That's interesting that you have this issue with your back and you chose to move forward with the sailing. That's admirable.

Oliver:

A lot of people would have let that you know.

Capn Tinsley:

Just stop them.

Oliver:

It did. It did for like two years. I went down like a, spiraled into like a, just like a super dark place and, um, I don't know it's, it's like it's just. I. I think it saved my life. Like without it, I think I would have woken up when I was, you know, I maybe would have had this realization when I'm 55, 60 years old, you know what I mean where it becomes less and less of a reality.

Oliver:

You know, sailing around the world, where it becomes less and less of a reality you know, sailing around the world or chasing your dreams, and I'm, I'm, I feel super fortunate that it happened to me now.

Capn Tinsley:

Um, how old are you? If you don't mind me asking, I'm 28. Okay, awesome, awesome, age.

Oliver:

Yeah, if you asked me earlier today, I would have said 27. Cause that's what I told someone earlier today.

Capn Tinsley:

You just had a birthday, no, I forgot my age.

Oliver:

I thought, I was struggling to walk around thinking I'm 27.

Capn Tinsley:

Fresh to Softie says evening They've been on the podcast. So that's great. That's kind of similar to what I'm going through, kind of a dark period, losing my husband and and here we are talking about sailing. So I appreciate, I appreciate you coming on and helping me get out of that. So thank you and I think that's a big inspiration to people what you're doing. Regardless of you've got this issue, you decided to move forward's admirable I appreciate that.

Capn Tinsley:

Thanks for having me on again yes, thank you for coming on um. Can you walk us through the moment you decided to empty out your 401k? Yeah, sounds scary.

Oliver:

So well, I had my. I worked at discount tire for 11 years and, uh, you know, worked my way up the ranks and you know, stacking up my 401k and uh, um, so what happened there was so I. I came to this conclusion literally in a day. Like it was is one day where I decided I was, uh, I was gonna, I was gonna quit my job and I wanted to sail around. What it was, was I had.

Oliver:

Just, I was talking to a really close friend of mine and we were I was, she was helping me try and figure out how to, like, how to move forward, and she, I was in the bathroom at work and she texted me and we were texting and she was like, what is it you, what is it you've always wanted to do? And I was like, well, I've always wanted to sail around the world. And she was like, okay, why don't you do that, you know? And at the time I was like, yeah, whatever. And then I I come out of the bathroom and I go to help the very next customer uh, that's in line and he comes up to me and he's wearing a jacket that has a sailboat on it and uh, I was like, oh, you sailed.

Oliver:

And he was like, no, I used to build. And I was like, oh, you sailed. And he was like, no, I used to build boats. I was like, oh, that's super cool, my dream is to sail around the world. And he was, and he's, and this guy's like 90 years old and he kind of like stops and he looks around and he looks at me and he goes what are you doing here?

Capn Tinsley:

And I was like, oh, I don't know why that just hit and then, yeah, I don't know why that it just hit.

Oliver:

And then so then my brother convinced me to. So at that point I was like so I quit the very next week, after having that conversation with him, with the full plan to buy a sailboat, sail around the world, not knowing that I was going to chase that dream, you know, up until like five minutes prior to that moment. And so my brother convinced me to start making these little videos. Up until like five minutes prior to that moment, um and uh. So my brother convinced me to start making these little videos, and so I started making these little videos of this process, cause I had to offload cars, I had to get rid of my stuff, I had to start looking for a boat, I had to do all this stuff. And, um, um, I was my plan. I wasn't ever going to post anything. I was going to start just stacking a bunch of videos and then, at some point, when I'm ready, start to release them.

Oliver:

And I had I never used I've never used like social media platforms ever up until seven months ago. And uh, so I was using Tik TOK and I didn't know how it worked, and I made a video where I'm just like I, I'm in my discount tire uniform in my car and I'm saying all this crazy stuff like I, you know, I was like that was just totally going all in and I was like, yeah, I spent you know a bunch of money on drugs, I'm in debt and uh, uh, uh. You know, I hate my job. I wanna, I'm gonna buy a boat, totally sounding like a complete lunatic and I actually posted I accidentally posted it and uh it went.

Oliver:

Uh, flying around the uh on tiktok, oh it went flying right yeah, within my company. So, like my avp at the time was scrolling through his tiktok and because his phone number is in my contact, it somehow links up right up and Oliver comes across on his screen just talking crazy wild stuff about you know my job, about my life, and so they call me in. And this is a week after I had that conversation with the, with a 90 year old.

Oliver:

Yeah with a 90 year old, yeah, with a 90 year old, and this is a week after and uh. So I come into work and I I had no idea that they knew anything about this Um and uh you had to know that my yeah, I yeah, I didn't know that I posted it, so I had no idea.

Oliver:

I've been flying around, I posted it by accident. And uh, and one of the technicians comes up to me he goes hey, oliver. I was like, yeah, he's like what are you going to buy that boat? I was like what boat? He's like what do you mean? What boat? What are you going to buy the boat? I was like dude, what boat? And then all of a sudden it clicked. I was like, oh shit. And and I look at my TikTok and I see it's got like 1500 views or something.

Capn Tinsley:

Oh my.

Oliver:

Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, and so I call my boss. And I was like, um, uh, I was like, so, have you seen the video? And he was like, yeah, everyone's seen the video. And I was like yeah, I know. And I was like, uh, and this is. And I was like, okay, um, so am I fired? And uh, he was like, well, we have to have a meeting about it, but just go back to work.

Oliver:

We'll call you at the end of the day and let you know what we decide to do and uh, I literally was like I'll just make it easy for you and click, and then I just hung up, walked out, left and then uh came up with the idea to pull out all of the money out of my 401k, to pull it off, so to buy the boat.

Oliver:

And so that was a week after I made the realization I wanted to sail around the world, and after I talked to that guy and and then so yeah, I was unemployed, looking for. I spent the next 30 days straight looking for a boat and, like research, I didn't know anything about boats. You know what I mean. I got lucky that I got a boat that was not like a.

Capn Tinsley:

Catalina, what kind of boat is it?

Oliver:

It's a compact. No, it's not a cat, it's a compact 33.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, oh good, that's a good size. Okay, we have at least one boat broker on here here, so maybe he can weigh in on the compact we.

Oliver:

He's an island packet person like I am but but he knows a lot of this. One was modeled after the island packet but yeah, I think I remember hearing that compact primarily makes like dinghy sailors, um. So they only made 10 of the 33s, he answered.

Capn Tinsley:

There, it is right there on your screen. That is a great boat, congrats. He's an expert, he knows.

Oliver:

Thank you.

Capn Tinsley:

Hayden, so they're mostly day sailors.

Oliver:

Yeah, they're mostly dinghy sailors is what they make primarily or trailer sailors, but so they only made 10 of the 33s and then they added a sugar scoop and they make. I don't know how many 35s they made, but not a lot. But yeah, I mean it's a good boat. I think it'll get the job done. It was made by Charles Morgan.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay. Well it looks like you've got everything You've got. I can see part of your cabin there. It looks like you've got all the comforts of home, right.

Oliver:

Yeah, yeah, I love it, I love this life, I love the boat and it's fun.

Capn Tinsley:

And you're in a marina, yeah, in Portland, uh-huh, okay, so all right. So let's see, so, the, so, the the video going viral kind of sped up the process of you quitting your job and maybe that was meant to be probably wouldn't have posted on social media.

Oliver:

So I wouldn't have the social media account that I have now and who knows what would have happened. Maybe I would have. I was pretty dead set, Like after that conversation with that guy I was like, oh, I'm sailing around the world, that's going to happen.

Capn Tinsley:

The nine-year-old.

Oliver:

Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, I think it worked out perfect.

Capn Tinsley:

Couldn't have worked out perfect, couldn't work out better have you been able? To reach him, as if you see, no, I have no idea who he is, oh my gosh raymond. The customer that came in happened to be wearing a jacket that had a sailboat on it and uh yeah, so okay, so uh, my next question is what has been the most challenging part or transitioning from a regular job to living on a sailboat, and I think you said you've got a little job now. Yeah.

Oliver:

I've got a job just to for the refit for the boat, so I do work 40 hours, but I was working like 70 hour weeks, right? So the difference is I feel like every day is a day off. So I um, um, every day is a day off.

Capn Tinsley:

Every day is a day off, it feels like it.

Oliver:

There was a three-month period last year where I would show up to work at like 6.30 am and for three months straight I wouldn't walk in through my front door until 10.30 pm and I was just like you know, you can't live, that's not living.

Capn Tinsley:

I hope you're making some pretty good money. You're able to stock. I was making good money.

Oliver:

I didn't stock. I didn't stash any of it away. No, I was very bad money and I was just super depressed too, so like I was literally just partying on the weekends just to like feel something.

Capn Tinsley:

Wow.

Oliver:

And, yeah, it was not a good period in my life in my life, but uh, it got me to where I am today, which I haven't done anything. I haven't done much, but uh, I will for sure.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, fresh and fresh to salty has a comment here for you, and this is what they actually said on the podcast. Their only regret is that they had not done it 20 years or 10 years, I think they said. But see that on the screen right there in front of you.

Oliver:

Oh yeah, they will never regret that decision. Cool, but they wish they had done it earlier.

Capn Tinsley:

But they're out there now.

Oliver:

They're doing it.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, let's see. So you've got a 40 hour a week, so you're working half the time and you're, you're, you're working for the refit. Uh, it's, it's a little bit better experience for you. You feel like every day's a day off.

Oliver:

Yeah, I mean I'm like a hop, step and a skip away from getting fired. Every single day I show up that's show up.

Capn Tinsley:

I noticed you said that that was fun. I.

Oliver:

I literally do not do my job. I all I do. So.

Capn Tinsley:

I hope they don't see this.

Oliver:

Whatever I mean, I'll figure if I get fired. It's not the end of the world, I'll figure. So I get it, I can. I can refit the boat flipping burgers at McDonald's if I had to.

Oliver:

um so there's there's always gonna be a solution. But um, yeah, I, they, I literally don't do not do, and so I'm selling tires again. But I'm like contracted through a dealership to sell tires, so I don't have any bosses or anything there, I just have to meet like a quota and I literally do not sell any tires at all. I show up, I sit down, I open my phone and I just start editing videos the entire time. I'm there and it's really bad. I can't believe I've lasted this long.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I hope your bosses or your people who order tires from you are supposed to Don't say this yeah, that's right. So what are you doing to the boat? What all do you have to do before you're ready to circumnavigate?

Oliver:

What I have left is I just put down the deposit for the hydrovane. I've spent the last two weeks and then this next two weeks just not eating food or anything and uh, and just stacking the paychecks. So by the end of next week I should have enough money to pay the rest of uh, the hydro vein off, and then so I'll have. So I should have that by like early next year. Um, and then I need a whole new anchor system, which which is still in, like still in. You know, I'm still figuring. I haven't thought too far ahead about it, but I need a bigger windlass.

Oliver:

And also my anchor locker is super strange where, like, it's a tiny anchor locker and it's divided down the middle, and so I've only got 150 feet, so I've got 50 feet of chain right now of half inch oh, that's not very much yeah, and then 100 feet of road and that's all that fits in that anchor locker, which is the crazy part, so I can't add anything else in there. So I'm just going to leave that system as it is and just have it as a backup or like a lazy anchor, whatever, and then put a manual windlass further back yeah, and a piece of stainless steel tubing that will go down into my uh, one of my uh, it'll go down into my uh.

Oliver:

I've got like a dresser there and underneath the dresser it's this giant cavern that has. Okay, literally, you're gonna make that like an anchor locker. Yeah, that'll be my locker. Yeah, exactly, okay.

Capn Tinsley:

Island Spirit says Hydrovane is great. We have an island packet that's sold around the world, meaning in the fleet. He runs the Facebook page for island packets. And he also says he has a recommendation the Rokna Anchor and and all chain. Is that what you're recommending, hayden? And then I have my friend, hey tinsley, so I got someone, hey, franny, um, so yeah, so it looks like I don't know if you've chosen the type of anchor you're getting I haven't.

Oliver:

I've literally every single part of this journey, like I pretty much take it one step at a time, like it's hydrovane right now, and as soon as the hydrovane is done, everything is going to get taken. I mean, I've thought about it and stuff, and I've heard people say go all chain. I've heard people say go 200 foot of chain and whatever. It gets all so confusing and so. But when I've heard people say go 200 foot foot of chain and and and whatever, um, it gets all so confusing and so. But when I'm ready to do it, that's when.

Oliver:

I'm going to really dive in and you'll lock into it. Sure, find out the information, otherwise you, just you like, you discourage yourself.

Capn Tinsley:

There's lots of opinions, or you just go insane.

Oliver:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

So I'll deal with it. Sure, but for the record Hayden's saying rock the anchor and all chain.

Oliver:

So all chain Cool.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, that's what he's saying. Okay, so, so you've got your anchor system, you're going to get a windlass You're going to get, you're going to make a locker that will hold more chain and you're going to create a way for the chain to get down in there. Anything else you're going to need to get on the boat. Do you have a water maker or anything?

Oliver:

No, I don't. I'll maybe do that at some point, but not right now, it's not a priority. No. I mean I can always just I don't know fill the cabin up with water bottles if I had to, you know.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, if it's just you and the cat.

Oliver:

so yeah, yeah, if you're just you and the cat, so yeah, um, and do a water catcher. You can do a water catcher. Yeah, I've seen those. Those are cool. Um, but uh, I would. The standing rigging is from everyone I've had come look at it has said it looks fine, like I've had some like salty sailors come check it out yeah, I mean, I have no idea if their opinions are good or whatever. But everyone has said it looks fine, but the I don't know. I'm gonna get a rigor to check it out.

Capn Tinsley:

Ultimately, absolutely, because the boat's gonna take a lot of uh stress. Yeah, if you're offshore for long periods of time, so I think, it's worth the money. It's not that much money, you know. Yeah to get it. Not as much as I thought we're worth the money. It's not that much money, you know, yeah to get it, it's not not as much as I thought we're even replacing it.

Oliver:

It's if you and if you do it yourself, it's. It's not as much as I thought it was going to be, um, so, yeah, my plan is to, after the anchor system uh is all you know I get that situated, I'm gonna move to the coast here, um, at astoria, because the it's way cheaper to to have the boat there, and then I could also live on the boat on the hard, um, and they have a crane there too, um, so I can, I can replace the standing, rigging myself there and uh, so that would be like the last stage right before I leave right um, and then?

Capn Tinsley:

and then even then I would if it was me I would get. So, after you do it, get a rigger to come in and do an inspection, just to make sure you didn't miss anything since you're probably not an expert rigger right no, I'm, I'm, I'm like the dumbest guy to ever do any of this.

Capn Tinsley:

No, I think it's admirable that you're, but as a safety precaution I would recommend because I do it every time I take the boat south from Gulf Shores, alabama, orange Beach, alabama to the Keys Before I go I have someone inspect it, and when I get back I have someone inspect it, because if you lose a mast it's kind of a bummer. Yeah, it's of a bummer.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I mean it'll mess up your boat. You know, yeah. So Hayden says what is your route? You want to run, when will you start? And I take it you're gonna be starting from. I Don't know, it would be Portland or what.

Oliver:

Yeah, the coast of Oregon. Yeah, the coast of Oregon. Yeah, so I of Oregon. Yeah, so I. As far as the route, I haven't thought about it. Uh, I know. So I told myself a long time ago that I wanted to sail to Hawaii and that I was going to sail to Hawaii, and, um, I, uh, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to sail to Hawaii first, um, and, and I want to do that, and I know it's not like the best destination from what people say, from best destination for cruisers and stuff, and it could be hard to stay there.

Oliver:

I'm literally just going to go there and show up and see what happens and go from there.

Capn Tinsley:

Have you thought about maybe doing the Caribbean first?

Oliver:

Yeah, I want to do the thing that I said I was going to do first. The Caribbean is a way better option.

Capn Tinsley:

You know it's way nicer too. There's lots of places for you. If you mess up, you can get things fixed, you know.

Oliver:

Yeah, I don't know, I'm just going to go.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, Well, I'm not going to discourage you on anything, but I've had some people on the podcast that talked about that route going South, down to Cabo and further South. So there's it's just there's some fascinating places down there that just I would like to pick up my boat and put it over there and kind of sail around Cabo and all that it sounds just beautiful, that whole West coast of um, mexico, mexico.

Capn Tinsley:

And then what is it Honduras after that? Okay, someone has some here. Okay, hayden says your first shakedown could be down the coast of Mexico. That would be great. It also is down current Okay.

Oliver:

Yeah, that would be cool. I mean, I've thought about it. It's just, I just want to do the thing I said first and I like the idea of it being my first passage. I think that's cool. What?

Capn Tinsley:

to go to Hawaii.

Oliver:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

I'm a little worried about that.

Oliver:

Yeah, that's fine, that's a long way, I know.

Capn Tinsley:

If something goes wrong. But if you go all the way down the West Coast and go to Mexico, then you can probably do like Hayden was saying the problems will come out before then.

Oliver:

It could change too, because I think I'll get, because the next window to leave for me that would make sense to go to Hawaii would be next April. Um in 2025. Um, so I'll probably be done with I'll definitely be done with the outfit before then um, so I'll probably go go. You know, I was thinking. I was thinking about going to Mexico or, you know, starting to head that direction yeah, yeah, I don't know if nothing's really written in concrete, but yeah, I just uh I do like, like the idea well, fresh to salty says speak with chris wilcher, the yacht rigger for rigging their wholesale company.

Capn Tinsley:

And uh, so I I think she's talking about um, the yacht rigger out of saint petersburg, that's. I've used them. They're kind of on my way to the keys. You know they're like in central Central Florida on the West Coast. I think they do some shipping. I think that's what they're talking about there. If you need rigging, they'll ship it to you.

Oliver:

They ship all over.

Capn Tinsley:

Let's see how did you? Oh wait, we got one more here, from Hayden, mexico to Hawaii or Mexico to the South Pacific. It's all fun to plan and work towards. Congrats to you.

Oliver:

Yeah, thank you.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, sorry. So how did you choose the compact?

Oliver:

Uh, just impulsiveness and um it was.

Capn Tinsley:

I love your honesty.

Oliver:

It is what it is.

Capn Tinsley:

I can't hide my my lack of uh planning and knowledge and uh, which is fine, it's fun I got lucky with the compact too, that it really it's not the perfect boat.

Oliver:

It doesn't have a protected rudder, um, and. But I certainly could have made uh, much more mistakes. When it came to buying a boat Like I didn't know anything about, I, I crammed as much knowledge into my head as as I could within the month of looking for a boat, and I only had about a month because I had just offloaded everything, sold everything and I was paying $2,500 in rent continuously and I was like I, you know how many times can you pay $2,500 a month until you're out of you know the money. So, or?

Capn Tinsley:

you know, is that for your like your apartment or something?

Oliver:

yeah, my apartment was $2,500, so I was on a bit of a time crunch.

Capn Tinsley:

You needed to get the boat, yeah.

Oliver:

I needed to get a boat and um, so I looked at a bunch of boats, I researched, like uh, and called on like I don't know, like 100 boats, and I looked at probably like 40 boats, 40 or 50, and uh, went up to seattle I was thinking about buying a boat from cal you know, get having a captain sail boat over from california and um, I, I, I spoke to this one broker and he was like this guy was like a full I can't remember like his name, I wouldn't say his name but he's like a full blown, like alcoholic, oh no.

Oliver:

And he was like. He was like listen to me. I was like okay.

Oliver:

He was like everyone's going to tell you this and all the data and all the information and what vote to buy and all that. All that's bullshit. He's like it's just terrible advice, don't take my advice or his advice, bad advice. But he was like don't listen to any of that, it's all bullshit. A boat's a boat and you buy the boat when you step on the boat and it talks to you. That's when you buy the boat. And I was like, all right, I think that's true.

Capn Tinsley:

I think you get a feeling.

Oliver:

I agree, yeah. So I got on this boat and I was like this is and I looked at, like. So I looked at what 50 boats, 49 of them were piles of shit. So it makes sense that I stepped on this boat and I was like alright, this is the one. And it was super convenient too, because it was actually like literally a 30 minute drive away from where I had currently lived so.

Oliver:

I didn't have to spend $6,000 to have somebody sail it over and then get a. You know, you know, sacrifice the money for the vote um sure so yeah, I overpaid for it, for sure, and uh but you know I like it, I love the boat okay here.

Capn Tinsley:

Hayden has another comment here. So so true, boats have a. They do have a personality. Congrats. Yeah, thank you. So you know there's a lot of people that are doing just like. They took some sailing lessons on the Great Lakes, bought a boat over the phone or online in Florida and they went down and they sailed the Caribbean, I mean it happens all the time. I mean I think it's great. I think you're doing just the right amount of planning. You know? Yeah, I think so too.

Oliver:

Otherwise, cause I've I tried to do this before when I first found out about my neck and I can. I planned so far. You know, I started thinking so far ahead and thinking of issues that haven't even happened yet or may never happen, and I just completely discouraged myself.

Capn Tinsley:

And then you just never do anything if you stay on that track. Exactly so I learned.

Oliver:

it's what's next. It's the hydro vein is next. Get the hydro vein. All right, you know then what's next Anchor system. You know I still have not taken any sailing lessons. I've gone on the boat. I replaced it the standing rigging and uh, I watched like a couple youtube videos and uh I took.

Oliver:

I took the boat out by myself, thank you, mary a couple of friends and uh just started sailing up the up the up the columbia river here and uh, knock on wood, I still haven't hit any docks, or I'm not a real uh sailor yet, because I haven't ran aground yet.

Capn Tinsley:

So and I'm not, yeah, exactly yeah yeah. So, um, I did take lessons before I got the boat and and I think it was good I really learned this how to, how to um adjust the sails after I was just out there by myself for days on end. That's when the real but the lessons all did like things would come back to me when something would come up and and because of the lessons I think I think they're valuable. So even if you had like a friend to take you out and say Well, what?

Oliver:

I've been doing. That's what's taught me the most is one of my neighbors does we? Every sunday, we do races here and he has a racing boat and so I'm crew on his boat every sunday perfect and that and he always has. People on that have been sailing for like 40 or 50 years, you know so, like I, just being around, that is where I pick up on the verbiage and I pick up on you know how to sail, really so yeah that's where I've learned the most that's perfect.

Capn Tinsley:

I've heard a lot of I've heard a lot of people doing it that way too. They just really fine-tune their skills doesn't cost me it's.

Capn Tinsley:

That's the reason I didn't take the classes, because they're super expensive yeah, yeah, you, you don't want to get into your, your um, your your money to fix the boat, yeah, okay, so we kind of talked about any specific destinations you're excited about as your plan for circumnavigation. So your first one that you mentioned that you really want to do is Hawaii. Whether you take a detour down to Mexico first, you're going to decide that later.

Oliver:

Yeah, I think from Hawaii you'd go to French Polynesia.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I think you'd go south right.

Oliver:

Yeah, I think. So I think that would be really cool.

Capn Tinsley:

So Fresh to Salty says the sailing part is easy, it's the passage planning and weather routing. At least that's what we found. Make sure you've got. The weather's important. Having enough food and water's important. What lessons or skills have you learned since embarking on this journey that you never anticipated needing? That I never anticipated needing and parking on this journey, anything come up that you're like oh, maybe, maybe the rigging, I, I I.

Oliver:

I, I, I, I think it's like how incredibly kind that like sailing community is. Like I didn't know that was going kind the like sailing community is.

Oliver:

Like I didn't know that was going to be the case at all and I didn't know that I would have needed it. You know what I mean. Like I get so much knowledge from all of my sailing neighbors and even like, but you know, the 50% of the people that follow me on social media are sailors, and so you know I now post a video of me doing something that like a you know, a seasoned sailor watch and be like what are you doing?

Capn Tinsley:

yeah, and uh, you know I've had that too. Yeah, I learned like, no, that's not right you know, yeah, so that's that's been.

Oliver:

I guess that's it.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, yeah, you know I've had, I've gone, I've been on one of my trips and I needed help with something and just people come out of the woodwork to you know, to help out. It's really. They're very generous with their time and their knowledge.

Oliver:

I have found that to be.

Capn Tinsley:

It's been really cool. So how has your definition of success changed since you left your regular job, your corporate job?

Oliver:

My definition of success.

Capn Tinsley:

For this new lifestyle.

Oliver:

I just think my definition, like it's my, I don't know. My definition of success is like life. We I don't know. My definition of success is like life. We live in a time that is such an amazing time to live, contrary to what I think, a lot of people think and what we see going on in the world. We're very fortunate to live in the time that we live in and I just plan on taking absolutely full advantage of it.

Oliver:

Not up until very recently, could somebody, some like dude, random dude buy a sailboat to try and sail around the world? Like that's crazy. And I, for me, like life has so much to offer, and finding out exactly what that looks like is is my definition of success. Like I want to see everything in the world. Like I want to, I want to see everything. And, um, you know I want to, I don't know that's, that's, uh, you know. Hopefully that answers the question.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, something was motivating you to work 70 hours a week, so something changed.

Oliver:

Yeah, Well, at the time, like it was my neck, my neck was like through life in my face and it was like uh, you know, immortality showed up.

Oliver:

Yeah, I literally had been bulletproof, made of steel, my entire life. You know this is how, like my, my brain works and I was like, you know, can't be hurt, can't be touched, and uh, and then you go to the doctor and they're like, oh yeah, you, you like you should be careful driving like you can't. There's a list of things that I can't do because I'm at risk of full paralysis. Um, so, if I get in like a fender bender, you know I would be in trouble and I know sailing obviously is you know it can get rough, yeah, yeah I know, and uh, that's just part of the, you know, part of the risk, I guess.

Oliver:

and so and I'm willing to take it because I'm chasing my dreams what do your parents think? They're? Supportive, super supportive. Oh, that's awesome, yeah, really supportive. My dad is like the smartest. It's super corny to say because it's my dad, but he's like the smartest person I've ever met in my entire life.

Capn Tinsley:

so he's been helping me a ton oh really is he. Is he handy?

Oliver:

yeah, he, we, he used to uh have a sailboat and he used to live on a sailboat uh as well. So, um, I was super young, um, so I didn't like I one I didn't appreciate the fact that he had. You know that we would go on a sailboat and we'd go sailing around and stuff.

Capn Tinsley:

And.

Oliver:

I none of the knowledge transferred over. I was like I was really young so. But he's familiar with boats and he's very smart, so it just kind of like works out really good. Does he still have a boat? He does, yeah, he has a 27 Capri. Okay, is he watching?

Capn Tinsley:

right now Is he watching.

Oliver:

Oh no, I don't know.

Capn Tinsley:

I don't think so I was gonna say he should comment, we'll bring his comment out. So yeah, so you're gonna have to be careful with the neck careful with the neck.

Oliver:

Yeah, um, yeah, I mean, and like traveling light winds, uh, light waves, yeah, I don't know, I'm just gonna just go for it and uh, it's one of those things where I don't think about it that much. It's like it's one, it's a negative thought that I don't need to think, like nothing. Okay, I could go the rest of my life not having an issue. You know what?

Capn Tinsley:

I mean Okay.

Oliver:

And so, like, what's the point in thinking too hard about it or thinking too much on it?

Capn Tinsley:

when it's right now I'm physically capable of doing this? Yeah, I'm going to do it. Okay, yeah, and you have your little friend, the kitty. What's the kitty's name?

Oliver:

Yeah, so I named the boat after her Phoenix.

Capn Tinsley:

Oh, okay, all right. All right, let's see. What advice would you give to someone considering a similar leap into the unknown?

Oliver:

We kind of touched on that, but yeah, I mean just like basically with that guy, like what are you doing now?

Oliver:

You know what I mean, why? Why are you still where you are, you know, and like don't, really, don't think too far ahead and don't discourage yourself. I think, like me, I've my whole life, I've always been very hard on myself and I've always told myself I couldn't, I'm not. I, you know, I'm not like smart enough or I can't do certain things. Um, when all none of that is true. Like I've surprised myself every single step of this way, uh, uh, in my, you know, in my abilities to, to, to do this. Like I've surprised myself every day, you know that's awesome.

Capn Tinsley:

It's great for your self esteem.

Oliver:

Yeah, of course it builds confidence in me. Don't think too far ahead. You can definitely do it. If I can do it, anybody can do it. You can definitely do it.

Capn Tinsley:

I have definitely found that too. It definitely builds self-confidence. There's nothing like I'm a solo sailor like you. There's just something about it and I figure more out, like you know, especially when I was new, when I'm by myself because nobody's chatting, chatting in my ear.

Oliver:

You're paying attention?

Capn Tinsley:

yeah, like if someone's there, they'll go. What are you gonna do now? And you're like I don't know, I'm just gonna figure it out, and when you're by yourself, you just do it. You try different things and then all of a sudden it's the right thing and you've. You don't really have to have words for it. Um hayden says maybe a neck brace went offshore yeah, like it starts getting rough, go ahead and put it on.

Capn Tinsley:

yeah, so um, but yeah, I really like what you said about the confidence builder, so you would recommend someone to follow the dreams, whatever it is.

Oliver:

Yeah, go for it. I mean, like you know what's the point in we just have. We live in such an amazing time you know what I mean where we can do this, we can chase our dreams, and there's no rules. You know, like I always thought there was, there's these rules and, um, you know, you have to buy a house, you have to have the girlfriend, you have to have the car, you have to have all these things. All of that is bullshit.

Capn Tinsley:

All that is you might pick up a girlfriend along the way.

Oliver:

Yeah, maybe I haven't thought about it but there's no rules, you know, and like a lot of it, too was like a lot of. What was preventing me from taking that next step was like ego, you know, and the fear of like who's going to want to date a guy that lives on a bum, that lives on a boat with?

Capn Tinsley:

no money. I have no money. That lives on a boat with no money.

Oliver:

I have no money and uh, you know, and all all of that, I'm never going to have a car. You know, I'm not going to have a nice car, I'm not going to have all these things. As soon as I accepted that, that is not what living is uh, my life became just rainbows and butterflies, you know so yeah, how did it feel to offload all that stuff?

Oliver:

Oh, it felt really good. It felt like quitting my job because I had a really intense job with really high demands and literally quitting that job. It felt like I lifted off a thousand pound dumbbells off my shoulders and I floated away.

Capn Tinsley:

And then you had to stop the other expenses. Yeah, I got rid of all that stuff.

Oliver:

It's been great. My overhead is the marina like my marina. How much is it there? You said it was more expensive towards the coast. It's less expensive towards the coast, where I would be going, but here it's cheap in comparison. I think you know a lot of other places, so, but mine's like four, 50.

Capn Tinsley:

At first it was no, at first it was like a two 80, because I didn't tell him I was living on the boat, so I rode that wave for like four or five months. And they.

Oliver:

I didn't know what. The key fob thing.

Capn Tinsley:

They've got a tracker on it and they're like you five months and they I didn't know the key fob thing they've got a tracker on it and they're like you've been on the boat every single day, yeah, and they'll say you're using more water, more electricity and you know. So. Hayden says I love your outlook, you're optimistic, viewpoint your plan, you will make this work. Congrats. That's awesome, hayden. I love having him on here. Um and so. And then bruce williams says a girlfriend and a sailboat. So I think he's encouraging you to, if it happens.

Oliver:

Yeah, I mean I'm not looking, but I'm not you know like, yeah, whatever, If it happens, then it happens.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, so are you going to try to support yourself through social media?

Oliver:

Yeah, that's the goal. It's thing is, I knew nothing about sailing, nothing about social media and both of these things.

Capn Tinsley:

I've been going as hard Learning it yeah.

Oliver:

Yeah, and it's been chaos trying to figure all of it out. I have no life, I don't sleep, I barely eat. I work a 40 hour work week job. Make you know, I spend 40 hours a week making videos. Spend 40 hours a week working on the boat. Spend 40 hours a week sailing.

Capn Tinsley:

And it's, I think you ran out, I know.

Oliver:

I know I'm inventing hours for the week.

Capn Tinsley:

It's a lot to do the videos? Yeah, well you're. Are you mostly on Instagram or are you also on?

Oliver:

I'm on Tik TOK as well, it's just. I post the same things on Tik TOK, it just.

Oliver:

Tik TOK hasn't, hasn't really yeah, but yeah, I figured it out and I'm just going to keep getting better at sailing, better at videos, continue to outfit the boat. And then, yeah, figured it out and I'm just going to keep getting better at sailing, better at videos, continue to outfit the boat. And then, um, yeah, that's the goal I have no idea I've got. That wasn't the original goal, it's recently become the goal. The original goal is just like, I don't know Like.

Oliver:

I didn't really have a plan Like just, you know, get to Hawaii and see if I could stay there for until they kick me out and work as a bartender or something and just not eat again and save money for the next passage.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, if you develop these skills like how to climb up, which you have I've seen you do it in your videos how to climb up the mast you can do that for people in barter. There's a lot of older cruisers and they don't want to climb up the mast.

Oliver:

Yeah, or clean the there's odd jobs you can do or I could even get like a sewing machine on here. You know what I mean.

Capn Tinsley:

Exactly.

Oliver:

There are options and maybe you do it all. I don't know.

Capn Tinsley:

Bruce says deep thinking at Pirates Cove, marina Would all work out. Bruce, he's local, I don't know. They can usually trade services you can trade for food. Yeah.

Oliver:

I could go paid handle if I had to, yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Hopefully it won't come to that. But, looking ahead, what do you hope to achieve or experience during your circumnavigation? How do you see this journey shaping your future? So you think this is going to be a forever thing. You said that maybe you would never never own a car again. I mean, who knows, you know Not.

Oliver:

I have a car now, but I yeah, I'm never living on land again. This is it Like I, this is. This is it's just like.

Capn Tinsley:

I've never.

Oliver:

I've never in my entire life been more certain about something. And this is it. This is my purpose. This is why I'm here. This is what I want to do. This is it. This is the end game. I figured I have complete and pure purpose. You know what I mean. This is it, wow.

Capn Tinsley:

Very few people have that.

Oliver:

That sense of commitment like that it took me so long to like find it and figure it out, but, um, yeah, it feels very good to know that this is it.

Oliver:

This is all I want to do and I'm super excited to to see you know, it's, I think, really important to like enjoy just the process of this whole thing and, like you know, and just enjoy it, like the other day I got to sail. I sailed up to the up up the columbia river here and saw on the falls, like saw these giant waterfalls from my boat at anchor and you know, and it's like fall and the trees look nuts. You know what I mean and I'm just it's my backyard, but like that, that's amazing, that's so cool, you know.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, so yeah, well, hayden says tick, tock and youtube number one, build the followers. And step two monetize followers over to patreon and just keep producing the vids and build the followers. I've watched this happen over the past 15 years and that's what I'm trying to do too. Um, I mean my dream. I'm a real estate agent, so I make pretty good money at that, but maybe one day I don't have to ever totally retire, but, um, I would like to be able to sail the caribbean and do the podcast and interview people. That that just would be endless material.

Capn Tinsley:

You know yeah right, that'd be really cool, be so awesome just going around meeting sailors, you know, and yeah, um so, but it does take time. And let's see, we got bruce saying uh, yes, the bay magnolia is small, smell, smell great anchored at the inlet. Not sure what that is. I think there's a later. Um, I don't understand bruce. Okay, and Fresh to Salty, it's always great watching people start their journey. Sailing is a great leveler and it doesn't matter the background. It's amazing to watch. That's true. Everybody does become like it doesn't matter how much?

Capn Tinsley:

money you made. People are interested, sailors are interested in sailors.

Oliver:

I feel like the smaller the boat, the better, like the less money. You know, I couldn't imagine trying to sail around the world in a million dollar sailboat Like that would be Well more stuff to bring. Yeah, a lot of work too. And so I don't know. Yeah, I think if anything I've got the advantage.

Capn Tinsley:

Thank you, hayden. And he says, yeah, he likes my goal on that, and my friend Jennifer's on here. Hey, jennifer, thanks for tuning in. This is my therapy, jennifer, she knows what I've been going through. But yeah, there's a book called. I call it the Bible because it's the part. It's the book that I read before I even bought a boat. I found his information on a website and then it disappeared and I thought, well, maybe he has a book. And that was the reason I read that it's called BYOB, bring your Own Boat.

Oliver:

Caribbean.

Capn Tinsley:

Island Hopping and Captain John, I think, caribbean Island Hoppin'. And Captain John, I think. And he talks about it's not about all the expensive stuff on a boat. Actually, he says it's kind of uncool to be the boat with all the fancy stuff. Yeah, I agree, it's like what are you trying?

Oliver:

too hard, you know.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, people would come up to him because they knew he wrote books. That's how he supported himself and he sailed around. He they'd say hey, can you come help me run all this stuff? I don't know how to he goes. I don't know how to do all I don't. I don't have all that, I don't need all that, so, but it's true, because I have a lot of stuff that's coming up.

Oliver:

So I just installed all new lithium batteries. Oh nice, but I just I was going to do the solar at the same time, just to do all the you know electronics at the same time. But I I got like a bonus at work.

Capn Tinsley:

I was like ah, fuck it.

Oliver:

I'm going to buy this hydro van and just because it's the biggest ticket item, you know, and so if I can get that behind me, then I really am how much does it something like that cost?

Oliver:

it's seven thousand. Yeah, wow, I. I know I figured to go with the hydrovane, though, because it's I think it'll work. From talking to people, it seems like it would work best for my boat, um, and it just seems like a really good company, um, and it's also like I don't have to worry about it being, like, discontinued. You know there's always gonna be parts available for it, um.

Oliver:

So you know I don't know, and and my rudder is is uh, you know I've got a shitty rudder, you know, so I'll have the, the hydrobane, uh, for my backup rudder as well, and they make it's like a super strong rudder that stands up to work a bite, I guess.

Capn Tinsley:

So Well, and it seems like it would maybe and in somebody else can tell me if this is right, hayden, it seems like it might break less, it'd be easier to fix if it does, it seems like it might break less.

Oliver:

It'd be easier to fix, if it does I mean, rather than an autopilot, for sure, I think.

Capn Tinsley:

An autopilot is, you know, run by electricity? Yeah, and it has a. I don't know what the parts are for a hydro, but Hayden can tell me if I'm on track with that Fresh to salt. He says hurry up and come to the Exumas. I think they're saying that to me. I would like to do that. And Island Spirit, hayden, yeah, the Hydrovane is fantastic If you do decide to do the Caribbean. I've done three videos with Island Spirit and the last two have been provisioning for the Bahamas was one and then the other one was their route from Florida through the Caribbean, and he gives all kinds of good secrets and tips and tricks and everything. So he's got it mapped out to two routes to get into the Bahamas. Two different routes. So yeah, I definitely want to do that soon. Different routes. So so, yeah, I definitely want to do that soon. But, um well, is there anything else that you uh, that you want to ask people? I want to tell them how to reach you and everything oh yeah, I'm on instagram tiktok sailing with phoenix um.

Capn Tinsley:

Phoenix is my cat and uh yeah, and the name of your boat yeah name the name of my boat as well.

Oliver:

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you can follow me, whatever.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, everybody give him a follow. He's trying to build up his followers and hopefully someday maybe get a little income from it, right?

Oliver:

Yeah, that would be the goal. Ultimately, I mean, that would be the dream you know, yeah, would be the goal. Uh, ultimately, I mean that would be the dream you know, yeah, um, then I could really, um, you know, be really self-sufficient, I think um and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it. I'm very, very. I'm a very committed person, and so I've got my, my eyes set and, uh, I'm just gonna keep going like I know one thing I don't know when things are gonna work out. I don't know any of that.

Oliver:

But all I, just all I, I all I know is I'm gonna keep going, I'm gonna keep outfitting the boat I love it doing social media. I'm just gonna keep going and it might not be in a year, might not be in two years, but you know who knows, maybe in five years, you know, if I post every single day. I've only been posting for like social media for seven months.

Oliver:

You know, imagine if I continue to post every day for five years. You know, five years is nothing, so right, I know, you're only, you're 28,.

Capn Tinsley:

five years, you're 33.

Oliver:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

You're still a young man, yeah, but hopefully you'll be able to leave the West Coast, I mean leave. Oregon soon, like by next spring.

Oliver:

Yeah, April, yeah. April 2025, yeah, is when I'll leave for Hawaii at least. But you know, who knows? Things aren't super written in concrete, so I might you know if it I don't know, if I get fired tomorrow and I have to go work at McDonald's, I might just leave in April.

Capn Tinsley:

That's good that you're flexible, just in case, yeah, and I have to go work at McDonald's. I might just leave at April. That's good that you're flexible, just in case. Yeah, you have to be Well in the meantime, did you get your official boat number, your number and all those things you need to be international and your passport and your passport for the boat.

Oliver:

Yeah, I've got two European passports. I've got a Portuguese and a British passport. My dad is British, my mom is Portuguese. That's cool.

Capn Tinsley:

You're all set. The boat has to be registered.

Oliver:

Yes, the boat is registered.

Capn Tinsley:

Yes, the official. Help me out here, hayden, because the registration, the official registration for the boat, the national I guess it's national, it's what the federal government is like the passport for the boat. I hope I'm telling that right I don't know.

Oliver:

I'm pretty sure it's registered. What website?

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I'm registered with the state of Alabama, but I'm also registered with the and he can jump in and get me.

Oliver:

Oh, here we go.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, okay, he said he's subscribing to you the Coast Guard registration, the US Coast Guard registration, the national yeah, get it registered with an official number. And that's like the passport, usc documentation, uscg, thank you. I was stumbling over that and then, fresh and Salty, saying, yeah, get it registered. So that is, you go to their website and you register With an official number. I don't know, it may already have one.

Oliver:

It's not like Not a state registration.

Capn Tinsley:

Just In fact I will text it to you, because I can send you a link.

Oliver:

And you register.

Capn Tinsley:

And it. When I bought this boat. It was not, it did not have an number and I thought I was going to do it myself, and these government websites are about as clear as mud?

Oliver:

Is it like the MMSI number?

Capn Tinsley:

No, that is a radio.

Oliver:

Okay, that's the radio I got that I got that.

Capn Tinsley:

Here's my friend, who's not even a boat owner, just Googled it right there Register a boat for international travel. There we go, cool. But when you have the official number with the US Coast Guard it's like the passport for the boat. Okay, that's good to know.

Oliver:

What would have?

Capn Tinsley:

happened. If I didn't, I don't know what would have happened.

Oliver:

Probably wouldn't have been fine. Yeah, I didn't. I don't know what would have happened. Probably would have been fine.

Capn Tinsley:

I don't know. I think you need to we've got some people on here that are traveling international. Either they're about to or they've been doing it, so they could. It's tied to the whole number.

Oliver:

Okay, tied to the whole number, but that Tied to the whole number.

Capn Tinsley:

But that's what I was told is that you need that because that's like you got your passport for you and the official numbers, like the passes, register with the United States coast guard. That's like the passport for the boat.

Oliver:

Cool, that's good.

Capn Tinsley:

And I guess it gives you credibility when you go into another country, when it's registered with the U S coast guard.

Oliver:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

I mean it makes sense. Yeah, and I will. I will send you a link and it does take a little bit in the the I ended up paying someone to do it Cause I was like these instructions stink. You know, they're like if this did that, and it was like I was so confused by the time I read it.

Oliver:

Even the MMSI number took me like forever to figure out.

Capn Tinsley:

I have that too, yeah, and so Tim Lynn says he sent me a link here too, so I'll send that to you. There it is USCG Certificate of Documentation and there's the link right there. I'll send that to you. Thank you so yeah, so you got plenty of time. It takes a little time, so you got. You got time to go ahead and do it now. So, hopefully we. You learned something new here.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I did, but um and though Jennifer says learn something new every day, yep, absolutely I couldn't get the words out. But all these people, they jumped in and sent me links and everything. I'll send you these links and you can get the process started. And I finally and you may not want to do this because you're kind of limited on money I was finally just said I'm paying somebody four hundred dollars to do this because the instructions were ridiculous on a you know how government instructions yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Oliver:

Yeah, this is supposed to be easy but I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, well, I guess that's it, and um, can we follow up with you and and on your journey and and see where you are and everything I'm going to keep posting and uh, just, I don't know if you're following me, strap in.

Oliver:

It might get a little cringy here and there, but you know, well, maybe right before you leave, we can follow up and say okay, tell us what you did and you're about to leave.

Capn Tinsley:

What's your plan now? Because it could change between now and then.

Oliver:

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Capn Tinsley:

And we'll just catch up with you and I'm sure you'll get some more subscribers from you doing the podcast. So thank you so much.

Oliver:

It helped me tonight. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah thank you, and the way I always go out is Salty Bannon out. Thank you.

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